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Once Were Warriors - The Rise And Fall Of Pantera

They were one of the greatest forces the metal world has ever seen. In this exclusive interview, the surviving members of Pantera look back on their ever enduring legacy...

This article originally appeared in Metal Hammer #254.

It’s been 20 years since Pantera released Far Beyond Driven, the first extreme metal album to debut at Number 1 in the Billboard 200, and arguably the most extreme album still to do so.

It’s been 13 years since their final show, and 10 years since the tragic and pointless death of guitarist Darrell Lance Abbott, better known to his many friends as Dimebag. It may be worth spending a moment to take that in. For younger fans it’s quite literally a lifetime, and yet the legacy and influence of the band continues to grow, and, with it, the myths and folklore that surround them. Put simply, Pantera are giants of rock music, legends.

The end was acrimonious – officially coming in 2003 – and made more final by Dimebag’s senseless murder in December 2004. Harsh words were spoken in the press, very harsh words, that in some cases couldn’t be taken back. And, while much of it was blown out of proportion, old wounds have yet to fully heal. Every now and again there are rumours of a reunion, perhaps with Zakk Wylde on guitar, but the chances of finding Bigfoot are probably higher. Still, it’d be remiss not to mark the anniversary of such a landmark album, one that effectively changed the face of metal.

And so Hammer speaks with the three remaining band members – vocalist Philip Anselmo, bassist Rex Brown and drummer Vinnie Paul, by phone, a sit-down meeting being out of the question. Pantera are still a big enough concern that the record company listens in on the conversations in Orwellian fashion, predictably giving away a back-story by trying to divert attention from it. There’s a very strong sense that enormous carrots are being dangled at the band should they decide to reform.

But first, let’s go back to the early days of the band. It’s no secret that Pantera began as a covers band in Arlington, Texas, in 1981, gradually learning to write and play their own songs, and putting out their own albums, albeit with more of a Kiss and Van Halen influence, more glam rock than the Pantera we know today. Still the band’s sound was evolving and growing heavier, particularly with the departure, in 1987, of their original frontman, Terry Glaze, and the arrival, where we begin today, of a kid by the name of Philip Anselmo.

“I picked him up from the airport and he lived with me and didn’t leave for about four years!” laughs Rex. “We dropped all his stuff at my house, and went and got acquainted, and we hit it off right off the bat. We’d heard of him because he was playing the same circuit we were playing, where you play three sets a night, six nights a week. When we got Phil, everything just moulded into what became the power of the groove, but we were selling 40,000 units out of the back of our car in 1988, and now if you can sell 40,000 you’re doing pretty good.”

It’s easy to forget that Pantera were already pretty big fish in a relatively small pond, packing venues throughout the southern US, even if they were unknown elsewhere. Philip was “very much the new guy”, but brought with him new and heavier influences like Black Flag, Agnostic Front, Poison Idea and The Misfits, leading the band away from the glam rock image that held little interest to him.

“It finally boiled over in about ’88,” says Philip. “I said, ‘Fellas, this bar band shit really isn’t working for me.’ They said, ‘OK, we’ll embrace this attitude,’ which came with throwing the Spandex in the trash and letting the music doing the talking for you instead of this gigantic image, which had been done and done, many fucking times before by way worse bands like Poison. It wasn’t Pantera’s fault, it was just the times.

"The underground was still the underground and I was always the baby of most of the bands I was in; I was always the youngest, so I’m listening to these older guys who are playing the bar scene, which is outdated by itself. Finally I just said, ‘Fuck it, I’ve had enough!’ You’ve also got to look at circumstance and the times and what people thought was fucking heavy, y’know? When you think about the older Monsters Of Rock lineups, little did most people know that there was this growing underground that was about to emerge.”

1988’s Power Metal would be the last Pantera album to sport the glam rock image. It was also to be Pantera’s last self-released album before signing to a major label, and sometimes the gods have to play a hand. On September 9, 1989, Hurricane Hugo hit the East Coast of America and an A&R guy got stranded in Dallas. Pantera happened to be playing “a little disco party” that night and, despite the band trying to put him off (it was a disco, after all) he came down to see them. It was pretty easy to pick him out of the crowd, and Pantera set about the business of impressing him. He left after four songs.

“We’re like, ‘Ah, fuck it, another one that came and went. Let’s start partying!’” recalls Vinnie. “We started doing shots and sliding around in birthday cake on the stage, and about four songs later he came back in and we had to get serious again. He said we were the greatest live band he’d ever seen and I’m like, ‘Really? Why did you leave?’ He’s like, ‘I went out to call and tell them I’m signing you guys.’”

While the perfect storm may have helped to get the band signed, it was also brewing within their sound, dark and portentous like the beginnings of some distant tornado. Power Metal was already old news and Cowboys From Hell was stampeding into town. By rights the tornado should have destroyed every place it touched down, a monster of an album, but instead Pantera, in 1991, played 56 dates in Europe opening for Judas Priest and Annihilator and were universally hated.

Three months sharing a tour bus with Annihilator and the most t-shirts they sold was 12. In Spain. The band vowed never to return and it wasn’t until 1993, after much arm-twisting from Megadeth, that Pantera tried their luck across the pond again. By this point there was a buzz about the band and Vulgar Display Of Power was already on the shelves, brimming over with modern metal classics like Walk, This Love and Fucking Hostile. It was a move that Megadeth would probably regret. Suddenly it was Mega-who?

“Oh we fucking crushed them,” grins Phil, “but that’s not all that tough. We played with a chip on our shoulder every single night. All the years being bogged down in the fucking clubs most certainly fuelled me, but speaking specifically about our return to the UK and Europe, I think we all felt we had a whole shitload to prove because of our first time around and how rough it went, and how dismal it really was for us. But it was the same in America as well, I’m not gonna lie. We were hometown heroes in Texas, but it was like being a small fish in a large ocean again once we did our first tour with Exodus and Suicidal Tendencies. There were a lot of crossed arms and curious looks, people didn’t really know what to think. But once we kept backing that up with show after show, I think the negative experiences really fuelled us to kick everyone’s fucking ass.”

And kick ass they did. Pantera took just 32 days off on the Cowboys… tour cycle before recording Vulgar Display…, four years of solid touring that turned them into an unstoppable force. Metallica had drifted towards the mainstream with The Black Album and elsewhere the world was awash with grunge.

Meanwhile bands like Sepultura, Biohazard and Fear Factory were making themselves known, a new breed of metal.

“We never felt like we were part of a movement or anything,” says Vinnie, “but the one thing we did do is claim to be a heavy metal band, because that’s what we are. At that time heavy metal was being deemed uncool and it was all alternative music, and we always flew the heavy metal flag.”

“It was about the time that Sepultura were coming into their own,” adds Rex, “and behind that Metallica had put out The Black Album, which left a really big hole for us to slip through. Y’know, it was all grunge, all these Seattle bands that sound the same, apart from Soundgarden, it was a different time, and it was time for a heavy band to come back in. There was definitely a crack in the door and it was our time to take it.”

For once Pantera took a little time to regroup and took their time over the recording of Far Beyond Driven, recording in Nashville, their first time away from their home base. And while the band were still growing musically, Philip was also coming into his own as a lyricist, songs like Shedding Skin and Becoming both seeing him open up.

Becoming is probably a culmination of a lot of the stuff we’ve just talked about,” he explains. “Being misunderstood on tour and having to fight every inch of the way to gain any type of respect or notoriety. Technically, as a band, we could see that we were better than a lot of bands that were out there that were selling triple the records that we were doing. Once again it built that chip on our shoulder, so Becoming was basically, ‘We told you so! We are becoming!’

"Shedding Skin was about several relationships that I’d been in where you get a girl and everything’s perfect, and then they wanna pin you down. When you are in your early 20s, it’s like, ‘Fuck all that!’ Far Beyond Driven was very free for me. Five Minutes Alone stemmed from one of the dozens of lawsuits that we’d encountered, and in one particular lawsuit I was accused of beating up a kid, and it was absolutely not me, not my fault. But I think that father of the kid said, ‘Just give me five minutes alone with that Anselmo guy,’ and my manager said, ‘You do not want five minutes alone with Phil Anselmo!’”

“That record took us a year to do,” says Rex. “We tracked it in four or five months, although my memory may be very wrong, and it took us six months for overdubs and mixing. And it was one of the most expensive records we ever made! But it paid off. If you think about the riffs on that record, they were very to the point, like the riff of all riffs on Becoming, that was Pantera at its finest. I can’t think of a bad song on that record, and we took our time on it. It gave us more time and more freedom to get that sound that eventually became a trademark. That was a totally different environment for us to experiment. It was about the time that Dime was introduced to the whammy pedal and I started playing five-string bass around that time.”

As has been mentioned, Far Beyond Driven, released on March 22, 1994, was the first extreme metal record to debut at Number 1, an astonishing feat for a metal album, even today. Rex has fond memories of sitting with Philip, planning where their sofas were going to go when they bought their first houses. He remembers they were still very close, a functional band, going out and destroying every night.

“That was a true accomplishment and I want to give all the credit for that to our fans,” says Vinnie. “I remember we knocked Ace Of Base and all these pops bands off the top of the charts and all these magazines went, ‘Pantera’s an overnight sensation!’ It was no overnight sensation, buddy! We spent seven years playing nightclubs, doing cover tunes, and trying to learn to write our own songs, then after that we spent four solid years of being on tour with Cowboys… and Vulgar…. We never took any time off! That year for Far Beyond Driven I think the final number was 306 shows that year. That’s a lot of touring! That’s where we built our fanbase.”

Unfortunately, the success came at a price. Years of touring, years leaping off speaker stacks, and stage-diving, and craziness, had lead to crippling back problems for Philip, and while he was pleased for the band he was deeply worried about his own durability and how much he’d be able to cope with the pain. A Number 1 album means a world tour, no two ways about it. On top of that it seemed that success was causing personal problems within the band. Time Warner gave them a Jetstream aeroplane and they’d do constant in-stores, signing thousands of autographs a day. In his book, Official Truth 101 Proof, Rex strongly suggests that egos were getting out of control, and he is less than complimentary about Vinnie Paul.

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“I think, from the very start, one thing that me and Dime always thrived on was being from Texas and wanting to keep our feet rooted to the ground,” insists Vinnie. “We didn’t wanna change, we always wanted to be the good old boys from Texas that know how to play heavy metal. I don’t think any of us felt like we were stars or on a podium, we just felt like we were lucky to be where we were. I never liked being around people who come off as rock stars.”

“I’m proud of that book, but it can be misconstrued,” Rex says, rather bafflingly given its contents. “It did make us feel a bit like, ‘What is this? This is weird!’ But at the same time it was kinda cool. You’re flying around in a Jetstream or whatever the hell it was, and we’d barely had a pot to piss in six months earlier. If nothing else we had more money to spend on booze! We really sunk a lot of money back into the show, but that’s when we started partying really hard, and it was non-stop. It surprising that we all made it through the 90s, as hard as we fucking tore it up. And some of those nights we would get kinda fucked up, but it never showed in our playing.

"We were on automatic, man, and still at 100%, and any other band would have to be on 200% to do what we were doing. I mean, it started with that one handshake on Cowboys…, and then signing everybody’s autographs every night until six in the morning, and the grass-roots of those guys telling their friends, and them telling five. That’s how this band operated, we were very fan-driven and very fan-operated. We were all straight-shooters from Texas and we just didn’t bullshit. At that moment, I just remember that that was when the band was its most intense. From where we were, we were invincible, and we really were.”

Except that they weren’t. In the midst of their biggest success, Pantera were falling apart. Unknown to the rest of the band, Philip had turned to heroin to combat his back pain.

“This is when the drug thing came about and everything started going sideways with him,” says Vinnie. “That’s when the band and him started separating and he started demanding his own tour bus. We’d see him before the show and then he’d be gone, and you never knew which Phil you were gonna get. You might get the pitbull that we all knew and loved, or you might get some dude who was completely whacked-out on heroin and didn’t do what he was supposed to do. It did become difficult on that touring cycle, but also we’d never had a break so we could never get away from it. A lot of elements started creeping in, particularly with him. I mean, we were all in some pain, I had to deal with tendonitis, but I never turned to drugs to pacify it.

"None of us had any clue that he was even thinking of doing heroin – we used to be the most anti-drug guys in the world – and when he OD’d in Dallas, when we played our big homecoming show to 18,000 people, the first thing that came to my mind was that he’d passed out because of the heat. When I saw him laying on the ground, blue, I was like, ‘What the fuck?’ If it hadn’t been for our drum tech, Kat, chasing down some paramedics, he wouldn’t be around any more. And it really would have been a shock, because none of us had a clue! It definitely went from being all hunky dory to being a lot more work and not knowing what was gonna happen. We kept working and really our intention wasn’t to stop. Until Phil decided he’d rather go and do Down and Superjoint Ritual, we never stopped. I really felt like we were gonna be the Rolling Stones of heavy metal, and we could have been.”

“It was more, I guess, that, ‘Phil’s not the same any more,’” affirms Philip. “You can explain back pain to somebody who has never felt it before and really it’s just hot air because they’re not going to get it, they’re not going to understand, and they’re not gonna know why you’re not the same Superman jumping off of everything and going apeshit crazy when your body is not allowing you to. That became a heavy mental issue for me at the time, for damn sure. I learned a long time ago that if you wake up in the morning and you’re on tour, with an entire road crew and a band counting on you, if you’re in a bad mood then there’s going to be a trickle-down effect.”

At the same time it would be unfair to blame Philip alone for the break-up of the band, an accusation that has often been thrown his way. Let’s not pretend that Pantera were angels, by any stretch of the imagination. Like all the best hellraisers, and Pantera were certainly among them, there could be foolish behaviour, drunkenness, and altercations. Struggling with back pain, Philip had to distance himself from that.

“That’s true, very true,” he says. “But it’s not their fault that they couldn’t understand the pain I was going through and it wasn’t just them, it was my family and my close friends, anyone who knew me well. They could see that I was not happy, but once again, it was not their fault. I was struggling and I guess there was a communication breakdown and things went sour. They had a gigantic inside sense of humour that, if you weren’t in on the joke you could feel very slighted. My first month in the band I could not have felt more like an outsider because Dimebag had his own language, which took about a month to decipher. Rex would clue me in here and there, but once again, they had a lot of early success and there were egos that went with it.

"Like I said, I was raised around older musicians and I think brotherhood was a lot more of a thing that was addressed. When it came to Pantera, they’d been through four fill-in lead singers and their world was theirs, that they had created, and it was a tough world to belong to. I got all of the Dimebonics down, and I understood all the inside jokes and all that shit, and they realised that I was the lead singer of the fucking band. We had some blowouts to where I had to say, ‘Look, it’s great playing with you talented motherfuckers, but honestly I was a lot more happy when I had brotherhood in my less talented band.’”

“We had blow-ups and fights about that,” continues Philip, “but, to Dimebag’s credit, he did learn from the blow-ups and he did embrace that brotherhood after a while, and chilled out. It took some time, but we all have our own kind of ego. The clashes aside, I think we all kinda grew up from it and learned from it to a certain degree. But every now and again it could rear its ugly head. It was always a possibility so I always felt like a middleman. Once again, through all the blow-ups and fights we learned not to step on each other’s toes. Individually I was going to have the friends I had and they were going to do the things they liked to do, which might not have coincided with things I liked to do, but when it came to music and living together we were all on the same page, for sure.”

Though they recorded two more studio albums, The Great Southern Trendkill in 1996 and Reinventing The Steel in 2000, it probably fair to say that Pantera were never the same band again, never quite so invincible. Like a giant wave, Far Beyond Driven had left a tidemark that was unlikely to be reached again. It’s probably foolish to ask, but what about the rumours of a reunion?

“I don’t know what you’re talking about,” Rex says, bluntly.

“All I can say is rumours are rumours,” adds Vinnie. “I’m not interested because there’s no Dime and, to me, if there’s no Dime there’s no Pantera. That’s my reason. It’s behind me, I’ve moved on. I play in a band called Hellyeah and I really love doing it. I’m looking forward to moving forward; I don’t wanna live in the past.”

“I think a whole lot would have to happen for anything to be a reality,” agrees Phil, “and I don’t think the communication is there to do that. Honestly I don’t dislike anybody in the band, I don’t at all, and I wish them all the best, but I just think our lifestyles are so different, especially now, just so very different, that a lot would have to be established between the camps for us to be able to coincide with each other. Doing stuff for money has never been my MO, so I’d just as soon leave it alone and wait for another day.”

Somewhere on the line it’s possible to imagine the record company letting out a groan. Should Pantera reform it would be worth millions, and, in times of declining royalties, it’s to all their credit that they’re not interested, each with their own bands. Perhaps some things are best left alone, the perfect storm, been and gone.

“I’ve said it in the past,” says Philip, “but Pantera, at that time, was almost the perfect storm. It happened at the right time, in the right circumstances to where I guess there was this mainstream need for a band like Pantera. I’m glad that we were there for that and I’m glad that the memories are there, very glad.”

“It almost feels like it was yesterday,” adds Vinnie. “It doesn’t feel like 20 years at all, and I still love being in the scene. It’s something I’m really proud of, that we did leave a legacy with those records. It’s crazy, the band’s bigger now than it ever has been, especially in Europe and the US. They play our songs on the radio now, which they never did before, and you can hear us on Monday Night Football. It’s like the band’s still around, it’s crazy. And it continues to grow, which means we did some good stuff, and we definitely influenced a lot of metal bands along the way. It’s too bad my brother’s not here to enjoy it with us, because he was such a huge part of it and a legend in his own time.”


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